This week, Jay breaks down the ideal ways to invest £100k into three straightforward categories and reveals the framework that all of the top billionaires and sports stars adhere to. While Rupy explains the ‘arrival fallacy’, why you should send a letter to yourself at 16, and the concept of ‘antifragile’.
As Amit wraps up the episode, the panel discusses Michael Singer’s remarkable career trajectory.
What to look forward to:
03:05 Why you should write a letter to yourself at 16
10:14 The arrival fallacy
12:25 What motivates billionaires & stars like Warren Buffett & Taylor Swift?
19:15 If you have 50k or 100k to invest – where should you put it?
34:35 Michael Singer’s journey
Links from the episode:
Michael A. Singer: Untethered Soul: The Journey Beyond Yourself
Michael A. Singer: The Surrender Experiment: My Journey into Life’s Perfection
Nassim Nicholas Taleb: Antifragile: Things that Gain from Disorder
Daniel Kahneman: Thinking, Fast and Slow
Steady Capital: https://www.steady.capital/
Previous guests include:
Reece Chowdhry, Poppy Jamie, Eileen Burbidge, Nick Telson and Fred Destin
Drake, Warren Buffet and Taylor Swift ALL employ the same 4 strategies to stay at the top
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recipe again? Um, so yeah, it's been a full year and up from that point that the manuscript is delivered to the point like today and in the next six months, it's all about refining your marketing messaging, getting myself onto podcasts, finding the audience that will resonate with what I'm talking about as well. So, you know, my books are all about healthy, easy, flavorful cooking. So they're gonna be home cooks, they're gonna be people of our age who are always hitting me up for like, you know, what should I eat for?
Or like, how do I maintain a healthy eating habit? Or like, you know, what's a healthy version of? So it's about like tapping into that market and, um, yeah, and, and you know, to. A salesman targeting them. Um, but mate, it's relentless podcast. Right. I was just saying before I jumped on here, I had three interviews.
I had a podcast this morning. I've been doing articles the whole week. Yeah. One of the things I was asked to do was a big issue article of, uh, lessons you would teach your 16 year old self or your younger self.[:[:[:[:[:[:
And in fact, no one knows what they want. We're all just around, uh, strutting around the world, mimicking each other. Uh, whereas actually we are chasing the desires of other people rather than looking inward and trying to figure out what our true motivations are. And so it starts with that kind of vein and like, you know, kind of breaks it down up to what things you should be focusing on.
But what it is, is actually a letter to your. In the present moment to remind yourself of actually what matters. Because the reality is, in 20 years time, when I'm writing another letter to myself, I'm probably gonna be lamenting about how much time I used to have, or how much time I spent, you know, posturing or looking at what I don't have, rather than what I have right now.
And yeah, it's, it's a really good exercise and I think, you know, everyone should clear. Half a day to, to write it properly. You don't have to share it with anyone. You don't have to put in the big issue or anything like that, but just the whole exercise for me was, was epic. So that's definitely been a, a high point of my, my campaign.[:
That is a great exercise. One of the exercises I always do is I always ask myself, okay, if I was 50 years old today or 60 years old, what do I have want to have achieved before then? And then that, that's like the hard question. It forces me to start stretching myself doing the things that are important, those questions really, really powerful and I try to force myself to play that game as often as possible. Um, like at least like once a month. It's not a fun game. I know it's not a fun game because it, it really makes you realize what you're doing right now is probably not what you wanna be doing or. Maybe you're on the wrong path or how you're doing, it's probably not the right way.
So yeah, it's a good one. Um, I hope your book launch goes well this week, obviously, you know, uh, I'm here for you. I've, I think I've bought quite a few. I've been sending them to my friends.[:[:[:[:[:
And there's another one called The Path of This Path, um, which. is typical kind of story of like a McKinsey consultant who, you know, decides that being a consultant for the rest of his life isn't for him. And he goes off to Asia and Texas sabbatical and you know, fi kind of finds himself and becomes a solo entrepreneur.
It's like, okay, big deal. Kind of a story that we've heard time and time again, but actually the wisdom that he compiles into this book from various sources is, is really interesting. And one of the things that I want to bring up today was, This sort of anti-fragile mindset that was popularized by Naim Nicholas Talib, who is a psychologist.
I think he's pretty well versed and a lot of people have heard of, of this guy. But it's basically this whole concept of being anti-fragile is how you utilize stress and shocks to grow stronger. So it's about that growth mindset that Carol Dweck talks a lot about in her books as well. So your stress response is better is basically how you respond.
To stress and how you utilize that to grow stronger and more resilient and to your advantage. So the thing I always like to draw an analogy between is like when you exercise, so you're getting to your gym right now, you know you're lifting up biceps and what's happening at a molecular level is that you're actually.
Stressing, ensuring those muscles in your biceps right? But the process of repair is actually creating a more resilient muscle fiber that's gonna make you stronger. It's gonna hypertrophy, get you bigger, you know, look, making, making you look pretty tonk, um, as you're looking these days is good. And, um, that sort of response is what you, you want.
And, and the same thing with stressors in daily life. So right now, I'm not feeling very well. I've got a bit of a cold. It is because I've been like challenging myself for the last couple of weeks. You know, I can either look at that as like, okay, can't believe I'm that vulnerable, like I'm meant to be this healthy doctor and I've got, ill like, what?
What's wrong with me? Or it's a message to say, Hey. Great. Your immune system is working. It's fighting off a, a cold, and you'll probably be over this in the next couple of days. And B, it's like, okay, this is a time that's actually telling me I need to slow down a bit. I need to focus on self-care. I need to rest up a bit.
Um, and just slow down that slight little bit cause I'm pushing a little bit too close to the, to the edge. Yeah. You've hit the line. You've hit the line. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I basically hit the line. I've gone over the line a little bit, but, you know, the, these are all things that, you know, you could utilize, uh, in your day to day.
So the stress of financial stress or people right now, or like, you know, uh, trying to cut back on budgets and stuff, you can either utilize that as a way to grow stronger, or the opposite, which is the default position of a lot of people. And, you know, a feeling of. Being lost and not being able to do anything about it.
It's about taking control and so I love that sort of anti-fragile mindset, and I think it's something that we could[:
Yeah, there's been a cutback on spend, so yeah, I think everyone's gonna be stretched and pulled this year. But I think you're right. If you can look at from the positive side, we're all gonna have to learn to deal with this period. And I think we're gonna learn a lot, right? It's gonna force us to be more entrepreneurial, to think outside the box, to be more creative.
And that's only gonna lead us to be much stronger next year when I think the market's gonna start pulling back up, right? So, I think, yeah, if everyone can use this pur to feel actually, hey, look, look at the optimistic sides as much as possible. I know it's bloody hard because, you know, it feels like sometimes we're just getting hit by life all the time.
But I feel like my mindset's just like, look, actually, you know what? I'm gonna try and be as positive as possible[:
So when I became a Sunday Times bestseller, A couple of years ago, I remember th thinking like, I want to get Sunday's time. As best as I want to get to that, that position. I want to, you know, I wanna see my name on the top of the Amazon charts and I want to read the paper and, and, and see my book there.
And it was great, but it was a fleeting happiness moment because I hadn't really invested in what truly makes me happy. And it's the whole process of helping people. And the reasons as to why I started Doctors' Kitchen in the first place rather. An accolade that can be cheap because it's always, it's, it's never everlasting.
It'll always go away. And this arrival fallacy, I think a lot of people are sort of trapped into whether it's like, uh, a position at work, whether it's, you know, becoming part of the C-suite, maybe it's, you know, getting to a serious b maybe it's exiting, you know, that sort of arrival fantasy I think is a really important concept to get your head around and before you re you, you experience.
and you have the corresponding sadness afterwards. Maybe almost like preparing yourself for it. So I'm preparing myself like, you know, future things that I want to get to and it's like, it's great if I get it, I get it. But my happiness isn't dependent on getting to that stage. My happiness is right now in this moment, you know, having this conversation with you, doing all the stuff I'm doing, uh, tomorrow and today you.
Be being as present as possible.[:
Like, you know, I'm in a decent place. Right. And they've lost a bit of their motivation. Like, you know, I think they're asking themselves, why did I do this? And one thing that I've always been fascinated, like what motivates like the ultra successful people, like the guys who are, you know, billionaires or really successful, like what motivates them?
What keeps them hungry? Think of like Warren Buffet, think of the likes of Drake, like Messi, Ronaldo, Taylor Swift, like all of these people that are top of their game in what they do, right? What keeps them motivated? So I've been on a massive research. Journey. Like this year, I was just like, I was just fascinated with that cause like what is at the core of these guys' beliefs to keep them going.
So I've learned there's four main drivers and I thought I'd rattle through them today. Cause I think that might inspire some people of like what's at the heart of the core of like these ultra successful people. Right? So generally there's four buckets. So you could be more. So you might be more focused on one, like it might be in balance, it might be evenly balanced, but generally there'll be one, which is like standing out and different phases of your life, one will be stronger.
So number one's learning, um, they just wanna keep on learning. So thing of the likes of Bill Gates, you know, he disappears to the forest. He just wants to read, read, read. . There's a famous investor who I really respect, guy called Chama, who basically runs social capital. He just says, look, I love my job because I love learning and researching about different areas.
Now, you've also got people like Warren Buffett. They say they just love studying and learning. I know this relates to even me, like as I was learning to become a better entrepreneur, I was just constantly reading about how to be a better entrepreneur. Like you know, how to manage cash, how to manage people, you know, how to set visions, goals, raise money, like I was just so excited about.
and at one moment that was my number one factor. The second one that I learned that really motivates these successful people is just a love for the game. So this isn't sports people, so if you ever watch like a sports athlete, think of like LeBron or if you think of like messy Ronaldo, it's that excitement that um, they just love, even like Warren Buffett's.
Got it. He even says like, I just, you know, when I'm walking to work, I'm like, you know, that's it. Like just tap toeing into work. He's like jumping up excited. Like it's just that love for the. Number three is creativity. I think there comes to a point when these really successful people, they're already good in one area, but they wanna be creative and bounce into other areas.
So, good examples. Even like you, right? You know, you've, you've done the book thing, you've done the podcast, now you wanna go into the app. Uh, another great example is Drake. Like, so Drake, when he first started his music, like he was in the r and b love song categories, then he expanded to more. Hip hop to more rap.
He even went into grime to dance. If you think of like Dwayne Johnson, the Rock, like initially he started in wrestling, then he went to movies, then he is now selling tequilas, he's now in the N F L. Like, you know, there's this element of wanting to spread your creativity. So that was like number three. Um, and number four, I've noticed that some of the people that are really successful, they just had this, you know, when they first start set off, they just want to give back.
It was just like, it was just truly embodied within them. I dunno if you've seen it. did manage to watch the documentary on Taylor Swift on Netflix and like, it was really interesting, her background. I didn't really know much about her until I watched it, but like, you know, it is, it is quite clear from, you know, at a young age she was just wanting to be really kind and give back.
And I know sometimes there's some back and forth on Taylor Swift, but I, like, I could see her desire just to be kind and to like, you know, help, you know, other women that are on their journeys. Right. And I think, you know, you could see that was at her. , right? So I think that's number four, giving back. And I think we all at some element want to give back.
It might come at a later phase of our journey, or it might come at the start. But you know, for me, you know, I've always wanted to give back to entrepreneurs, but as I've grown further in my journey, I think I wanna give back even more. Right? And this is when people set foundations and give back. But, so that's number four.
So in summary, there's four things. It's learning. You've gotta really love learning. You've gotta love the game to just love the whole process, creativity. So just being creative and bouncing around in your field and fourthly giving back. So it's just a bit of research. I'd love to get your take on it. I like the framework of thinking about that.[:
And I was like, I've never really wanted to write a book, but okay, fine, I'll give it a go. And then I, I end up loving that. And then someone else was like, you should do a podcast. And I was like, okay, I don't know anything about radio or speaking to Mike, but I, I'll give that a go. And then lo and behold, I, I fell in love with that.
And then, you know, now it. I'm being intentional about the app cause I, no one said you should do an app . So that was on me. Um, and you know, I, I'm also wanna like start my, my cooking show and, and everything else. But I think the, the love for the game being creative, I love how we've woven in Drake into it as well.
Man, I freaking love Drake. Yeah. I had to, I had to get Drake in. Yeah. Yeah. Me and Amme have this saying like, what would Drake do? Wh wh when he, um, did that collaboration with, uh, boy, but. I remember thinking to myself, that's bold. That is really bold. Cause Grims been around for ages and for like the traditional, my perspective anyway, the traditional view I think of British rap is that was a bit corny and the core guys were all like, you know, West coast, east coast hip hop artist.
And for, for him to actually reach out on the other side and actually bring it and make it, made it cool. I mean, that, that's pretty creative in itself. And his house track was amazing as well. Anything he touches, it seems to turn to gold, but I think it's that love of the game and the need to be creative as well. So that, that, that's, that's a pretty cool, uh,[:
And still hopefully be as good. So I think we all have to constantly keep on learning and being creative, right? I think if you look at Malow hierarchy, the number one thing is creativity, right? Yeah.[:
But you are always sort of trending in that direction. Whereas now my like, you wanna get onto that learning curve, like for that first like 70, 80%, because that's the exciting stuff. And then you get to a, a. For me right now, I'm going through the whole building a tech company, hiring, you know, encouraging a team, raising, you know, all these things.
I'm on that steep part of the learning curve, so, you know, I'm like 30, 40% of the way and I've got a long way to go. Whereas you are like, you know, 18 90% and it's, it is exciting. It is, but at the same time it's quite nerve-wracking as one, I think it takes a certain type of person to, to lean into. Um, and sort of stretch your creative side.
And I guess it depends on like, you know, the position you are in life as well. Um, it's funny, I've been chatting to a lot of, like potential hires and stuff, and it's, it is amazing. Just whether they're a parent or not has a huge impact on their propensity for risk as you'd expect. , but it's something that I just haven't really sort of thought about that too much, I guess I should do, cause I'm married now[:
Like what should I do with my money? What should I do? Where should I invest it? How should I think about it? So I've really simplified it into three main buckets. But before I do it, I think I just wanna caveat that. , you know, in terms of investing your money, it's very subjective. It depends on your risk tolerance, um, how much you have.
Also your area of expertise, cuz you know, you want to be investing in stuff that you know. Um, and also, I hate saying this, but like, I'm not a money advisor. I'm just telling you what I've learned. I'm giving you my straw man, um, of the situation. So if you've got a hundred thousand dollars, a hundred thousand pounds, how should you invest it?
My most simple answer is, there's three main buckets of how you should think about it. Number one is your safety bucket. Right. These are, this is where you put your money, where you know you're not gonna lose it. So this is in your savings account or in bonds. Like this is, you know, a hundred percent likelihood safe money, right?
Um, you know, you can get interest rates of anywhere from three to 5% on these areas if you do your research. So that's number one. Safety bucket number two is your equity bucket. So to me, this is where you invest in. Like, call it mutual funds or equity funds where you know, you're essentially investing in something that's invested in a bunch of different equity assets.
So I like to go for classic simple mutual funds. So you can go to the classic Fidelitys, the ones I like. I like Berkshire Hathaway in the us that's Warren Buffett's fund. There's actually an etf, which is an exchange credit fund, which replicates his. Main fund. Cause the main fund's $400,000 to go in for one share.
And also in the UK there's a few funds I really like. There's a few BlackRock ones, but I really like Fund Smith. I put, you know, a lot of my personal savings into that one. What[:[:
So you can go on, you know, you can use whatever platform. In my mind, I think that's, so I use something called AJ Bell. Some people use Barclays. Yeah. Um, there's rieves, there's so many of 'em. I think, you know, each of 'em may be a bit like here and there, like a dollar, a pound or more, but in my mind, just pick one.
And is, is, is the element of just starting, which is the most important thing, you know, these are high risk funds. These are funds which have been, you know, over the last five years, they'll be giving you 10% return a year. Like, you know, Safe equity funds, right? They perform better than the index, right? And they do exist.
The ones I've told you are good examples. Berkshire Hathaway's, ETF, and Fundsmith, they are fantastic funds. They even in down year, like last year, they still perform outperform the index, right? Then your third bucket, which is the fund bucket, is your risky bucket, right? This is where you invest in single stocks, right?
So you know, in the single equity stock, in your Bitcoins, in your startups. So you may go into platforms like, you know, Cedars and stuff like that. And you know, in America you've got other platforms where you can invest in startups like Angel List. There might be in some property lending stuff, I don't know, there might be some like funky assets that you invest in here.
But in my mind, this is your risky bucket. Let's use the example of hang a hundred thousand dollars. Um, for me. , the safety bucket, you know, is in the savings bonds. I'd probably maybe put 50% in that one. Then you've got your equity bucket, which is your funds. I'd probably put 40% in that one. And then your risky bucket, which is, you know, your wacky, crazy stuff like single stocks, Bitcoin startups, 10%.
That's quite a defensive portfolio by the way, right? People might think, Hey, here's Jay, who's the entrepreneur. They think it's gonna be bonkers and wild and crazy. I'm actually very, I, I actually act like an old man with my investment money. Yeah. The reason why is because this is my safety money, right?
This is my, this is my money where I want to try to make 5% passive. Income back. So hypothetical, let's say I've got a hundred thousand dollars invested, I wanna make at least 5,000 a year and not worry about it, and I can sleep at night. I don't want to, you know, lose sleep over it. And I see too many people like having their ratios as safety bucket as like 30% active, like 60% or like 40%.
And then risky bucket 23. And they're, they're all. I think it's a good, simple framework for people to use. Is it, isn't there an[:[:
So you can get these, like these wrapped wrap funds, like you can do that as well. Your challenges. They'll charge extra fees, you dunno, what's it within it. So you know, you're basically making a sandwich, which, um, , the fillings have already been decided, but you might wanna make your own fillings, right?
Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Exactly. That's a good analogy. I like that one. , the most important thing should start early because it, you know, of the compounding, right? I know everyone probably has started to some element, but then they just leave it and they forget about it. But, you know, it's important. You put lock in some time, like every three months to just reflect on and go, okay, how's it, how is.
Doing because really all of that money that you make from this saving, you're making essentially passive income, right? Or 5%. That's what you should be aiming for, 5%. And that money then gets funneled into your daily life situations like your spending money if you wanna buy a property. So that's why this system has to be in a good place because otherwise you're not gonna have enough money to do other things like, you know, when you need to pay for your child's university or whatever, you're gonna have to have, hopefully have saved the money.
This system. That's why I think setting up this system now is really, really important. Yeah. Well, you wanted to[:
Um, it's a company called Steady Capital. Now that they exist in the States, I haven't found a similar company. To these guys in the uk and I think there should be, right? So basically what this allows you to do is basic, is exactly what you've d you talked about. So, you know, an app like Nutmeg or, or Mintel or, or Mint, whatever it's called, uh, where you chuck in like a hundred or 200 quid a month into this pot.
This basically allows you to do the same thing, but with real estate properties. So cash flowing, okay. Assets, whether it be. A block of rentals. Uh, it could be a collection of flats, it could be, you know, a network of Airbnb, whatever it is, like the, this is pretty awesome, I thought, cuz you can invest as little as a hundred.
Dollars because this is an American company. But what, um, yeah, what I've been really thinking about a lot, uh, ever since I've started reading Rich Dad Poor Dad, is basically how to get, how to have some exposure to real estate. Cuz what he talks about is it's a very simple formula, it's just living below your means instead of blowing money on like, you know, designer clothes.
multiple holidays, all the rest of it. Like, just live a little bit below your means and focus on saving, uh, money and make your money work for you via all these different investment, um, strategies, whether it be funds or real estate, whatever. But, and to get into real estate, you know, you need minimum of tens of thousands anywhere in the UK really.[:[:[:[:[:
So you can literally lend someone money to go buy their properties. There's, um, you can lend people business loans through like things like. Finance and they're called Korea to, um, funding circle. So there's so many ways. There's even, you know, I've even started dabbling. I'm looking at masterworks, which is art pieces.
So you can buy like a, a Picasso, one of these. So you buy small share in these art pieces and even Banksy stuffs on there. Literally. , you know, Banksy art piece is worth like 5[:[:
Yeah. And it's a bit fun as well. Like, hey, I, I own Parva. Banksy, yeah. Um, so yeah, I think there's so many things out there. So that's why, you know, in that third bucket of the risky bucket, like find something that you are, you know, you do have an edge on. I think. Like I don't have an edge on art, so I. Going so crazy on it, but I think all of us do have some, like on a certain, maybe start area, like if you are a doctor, you might have an advantage in spotting[:[:
Versus the other person. If you're working in finance, you might know some, you know, some, some information on certain shares because you just. Uh, using the technology or you're aware of it. So I think you gotta find your edge, um, and then try to double down on that edge because yeah, you don't wanna spread yourself too thin.
You don't wanna be that wheeler, dedos, like invest in everything and it's just, , you know, I've, I've been that person. It's not good. It's not healthy cuz you're just like, you don't know what's going on . It's like, it's like going paintball shooting and literally just getting shot all the time. It's not fun
Um, so yeah, play it safe.[:
We don't wanna lose that amount of money either. So slow and steady, man, that's exact, I mean, I, I, I say that, but all my cash and chips are basically bundled up into my, like one company at the moment, and I haven't cashed out anything. So, yeah, I need to, I need to diversify[:
So, uh, with investing, I think the problem that people often run into is it seems complicated and overwhelming, as you mentioned, and. I know, um, like for for a month at least, you were like, you went, did a deep dive into investing and now you are at the point where you've got a framework that you can set it and forget it.
So yeah, people just need to spend that time doing a deep dive into it and then increase the amount they invest slowly. The motivation topic that was super interesting and what I realized from what you were saying is motivation. Like when you've already won is going beyond the self. Uh, so that was three out of the four topics was really going beyond the self.
So the obvious way to do that is giving back like Taylor Swift. So you're not really thinking of yourself, but uh, even if you think of learning, in order to learn something, you have to go from a position of ignorance. So again, Something you can't do. And uh, creativity is obviously bringing something new into the world.
So it sounds like once you've already won it, the game, uh, what keeps people motivated is to do what they can't do. And for people who haven't felt like they've won yet, then it's probably the first one, which is the love of the game. Get. Good at what it is that you are already doing and then you can start doing these[:
You're right. I think it is like a scale, right? I think first you have to learn to play the game. Then you start loving it probably even more cuz you are getting good at it, right? And then that, and then thirdly, then you become so good at it that now you're like, okay, why am I doing this? Mm-hmm. , you want to give, to give back and you wanna be more creative, right?
And this, a combination of those two then start taking over. So you're probably right, it probably is. There's probably must be some. Or if not, you should make it. It's like that journey of greatness.[:
So he was talking about, uh, the turnings of Buddhism and. initially the Buddha sort of withdrew from the wild, is like, okay, I'm done with all this stressful stuff. I'm, I'm out of here. Uh, and then, uh, it was about coming back into the wild and being in the wild and still being mindful and yeah, you can think of anti fragile as sort of forging yourself in the fire.
If you like, stay away from all stress, then you're not gonna grow as a person. You're probably gonna get quite bored. Uh, but. Within Antifragile, uh, this is something you touched on, Rui, where, you know, we, we think it's about going a hundred percent, but what you want to do is like, you hit the line, like as in you're giving all you can, but then you need to rest.
So in order to be antifragile still within there is that element of resting as well. And the last one was your letter to your younger self. I, I thought that was an amazing man. You, you, uh, cuz you've spoken a lot about stoicism. Uh, on this podcast, and, and you, you sound stoic. Like you, you actually have gone to do it properly.
Yeah, yeah. You, you're, yeah. You, you, you, you've become stoic. Like after reading about it,[:[:[:[:[:
The attributes that I want my personality to, to, to have. And it, it gave me time to reflect on what I want to train. Um, and I'm nowhere near like where I want to get to, where I'm like, you know, I'm easily triggered by certain things, whether it be, you know, my phone or like, uh, things outside my locus of control.
the ideal is to not let your happiness or your state of mind be so cheap. So like when mm-hmm. , I mean, I always talk about this with Rochelle in the morning. You know, if the, if it's raining outside or you know, the, the Uber is gonna take 15 minutes, or, you know, all this stupid stuff that we allow, uh, ourselves to become upset about.
That's us allowing our happiness to be cheap and our happiness should not be. It should be freaking expensive. There should be no price on my happiness. Right. That's, that's the goal. And I think, yeah, that whole process of writing to my younger self kind of reaffirmed exactly what I want my mindset to be.
Like this, um, this anti-fragile, uh, strong mind that's, um, super expensive or not on the market. Yeah. So is, it is way more[:[:
Listened to already. Yeah. But basically it's about Michael Singer's journey to being an entrepreneur. He basically had this moment when he was tw in his twenties, decided to take up meditation and try to quieten the little voice in, in his head that we all have right now. You know, when we're mm-hmm.
doing this podcast, listening about this, a little voice in our head saying, Yeah, Ru he's talking too much or he, he's, he's overtaking the conversation. He sounds really annoying. People can tell that he's got a cold run now, cuz he's constantly sniffing, you know, these little things and, and obviously to a grandy scale as well.
So he, he basically does a deep dive into meditation and he builds himself like a hut in the middle of the woods and he surrenders to whatever life throws him. So one moment he's like meditating, then he gets hired to do like a teaching professor gig and he is like, okay, fine, I'll do that. And then he.
Someone's like, oh, you built this house. Can you build me a house? He starts a construction company and he starts a construction company. Uh, he buys a computer, he falls in love with this computer, starts programming on the side. Then he starts a computer software company, and that goes on to become the biggest medical management software company in America.
All the while he is a ponytail, uh, like sandal wearing Hi, Yogi . Absolute yogi. Constantly practicing what he preaches in untethered soul. Mm-hmm. He gets sued by like a middle manager who actually was a conman. He almost goes to jail. You know, this law case costs like 150 million plus like it, and it's just this amazing story about how this guy who surrendered to the world by just deep diving into meditation.
and trying to quieten his inner voice led to, led to him being, you know, multi billionaire, I think by the end of it. But it's, it's fascinating man. Oh wow. And uh, yeah, just focusing on that sort of inner voice and the self is something I need to like always come back to, like, remind myself of every, every single time I allow my, my thoughts to wander.
That's, uh, that's where I'm at right now.[:[:[:[:
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Okay. Basically just talks on the podcast. It's more, I'd say it's more advanced than the. Because he's also got another book, I think Living Untethered, so I've listened to that as well. That's another good book. But yeah, and then he is also work and living. There's another one, there's a work and there's one about how to work and consciously work.
But I, in my mind, his podcast were actually the best. Um, so he just talks on him for like, it's basically his recordings of him and his church, I think. Cause then his churchy, you can go see him. So his church is in the middle of nowhere. I did actually Google it cause I was like curious. I think it's in Florida, Gaines.
Things in the middle of nowhere. Middle of nowhere. Middle of nowhere. . I wanna go see him[:
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